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  • Between emergent patterns, and the rules generating those patterns, I think it’s easier to “figure out” a major clue for life elsewhere by knowing the rules that generate the patterns. We may find microbes under the ice on that one moon of Jupiter’s (is the moon’s name Europa?). There may be a slightly more evolved life under Europa’s ice; (like tube worms found in our ocean’s floor near the very deep volcanoes), but that would be very expensive if we drilled through the ice to find out. We launched the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST). I say if that doesn’t do the trick in finding “Worlds of Water”, forget trying any other technique. I believe outside of using the space telescope, we won’t find life in our solar system.
    Yet, if we don’t find life with space telescopes within three or four generations of such machines, with humans using those machines, I doubt space telescopes will ever find other planets with life’s chemical signatures. Light spectrum analysis is the only method. The JWST is expensive, but I’ll bet it’s far cheaper to send twenty upgrades of JWST’s throughout the next 300 years than drilling through Europa’s ice sheet.
    So, the only answer: looking for life elsewhere is a trivial pursuit of the rich. I’m not complaining. I’m merely stating that breaking the laws of physics isn’t easy, and any planet with signs of life is on a scale of distance away from us that not only can we never get there, neither can any intelligent species of Aliens capable of the trip make the trip to us. Traveling faster than light is fantasy today, and will be tomorrow. No Star Fleets are allowed. Also, the rich aren’t the only ones wanting to know if life is possible elsewhere. So, I believe that we will probably even spend the money on drilling through Europa’s ice sheet if it comes down that. The rich should also be asking if there are ways to find “that possible way” to find life under Europa’s ice sheet in addition to building newer versions of JWST’s. The rich have sub-elites asking those questions already. I suppose they are exploring the same logic I am when I state, “it might be cheaper in the long run to plan now for a very, very, very, very slow (many decades slow) drilling through Europa’s ice. It may be cheaper than JWST-2. If microbial-scale life is there, it will be easy to find if ubiquitous under the ice. Other methods include investing in technology to “sense” through the ice – possibly with a micro-miniature “hot-shaft” through the ice until a sufficient depth for a micro-miniature “tunnel-scope” to magnify a cheaper instrument in Earth orbit as an amplification of the cheap probe system. Alien atmospheres as networks become integrated with wise economics under the banner, “we tested it close to home, we found microbes in Europa, and this knowledge of how will help us find it 5,000 light years from Earth”.

    So, understanding life’s scales of interaction is how to study life?
    “How might the properties of life change at different scales, from microscopic organisms to entire planets?”
    I always answer a specific question through Virginia Klenk’s textbook, “Understanding Symbolic Logic”, and relating the question to what the question refers to. Sara asks this question assuming that I studied her question, and did the exercise, so I can see how the patterns of emergence relates to scaling when answering this question. Now that I understand why this question was asked, I do the boring work. The question is posed logically. It passes the test, but only after working it through what she taught me. I’m learning. I won’t repeat this paragraph in the future. Please hold me to account if I err on future answers to the course questions. I am considering a college entrance essay for someone who has some college, which I have. Here it goes.
    The properties of life might change at different scales depending on the rules. On our planet, we have rules. Do I know all the rules? No. Does anyone? No. Will I, you, or any single one human know all the rules? No. Thank “Took” for A.I. The emergence of A.I. took this planet producing microscopic life to us to make A.I. occur. Under the “properties of life”, how do different scales work here on Earth? I ask this question first because I only have this planet to study, but how an Astro-Biologist asks is the same way I do. I once read that hunting needn’t necessarily have emerged here. If hunting never emerged, would we be here? No. We are a unique assemblage from that “life emergence” property here. Our specie, from what we know, grew big brains from scavenging meat to grow big brains, but we only did that while observing nature, processing that information, and engaging in the desire for a better way to get more meat. When meat is cooked, we happen to digest it even better than when that meat is raw for our big brain development. Now, imagine that if they made that transition while living in savannas. Savannas burn a lot from lightning strikes which kill, and cook critters. Did our human ancestors (some former human species) desire bigger brains? They wanted to eat, and already possessed the ability to eat critters, and as soon as they could, devised ways to use tools to replicate this process of having cooked meat as often as possible. I use this example as a good way to study why a mostly vegetarian species of human unwittingly influenced our present. Now we hunt the supermarket.
    All the ingredients to answer the question are in that example. Hunting may or may not have given us the big brain, but hunting was an emergent thing on this planet, and the article I read so long ago allows me to answer it.
    Hunting occurred early here. When human species could hunt, they did. I’ll say that until life is found outside Earth, if ever, I don’t ever think our distant offspring will visit that life because that other planet will be eons of distance from us. For now, I guess that the properties of life changing at differing scales from microscopic organisms to entire planets always depends on the planet in question. What rules some other planet must follow to produce what properties of life is only known through our rules. I can imagine a planet creating the hunting behavior only through our rules. I can’t understand how some people argue that life could exist on Jupiter as gigantic balloons floating in the clouds, or that any other element other than carbon could produce life. Assuming that life requires microscopic to anything larger is all I can see happening, no matter how cool it would be to find life in Jupiter’s clouds. I believe the patterns require the same rules as the “logic machine” at this lesson’s end.

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